Email from 1997.
At 03:55 AM 7/4/97 PDT, you wrote:
Bill,
I served in Sinop in 1979-80, hardly at the time you were there. However, I spent 21 years in the Army (69 - 90). While stationed in Turkey, I helped the Turkish translator translate a history of the area from Turkish to English. We spent most of the year arguing over language, he wanted literal, I wanted grammatical. In the end, he mostly won, but one of these days I will correct my copy and provide it to INSCOM (formerly ASA). Found Turkey fascinating.
Heard not too long ago that the Rod & Gun Club, near the PX, burned down.
You never saw either, did you?
John S. Curtis jcurtis@mail.megatrondata.com
============================================================At 12:57 PM 6/7/97, Peter Lydon wrote:
Hi Bill, I don't remember serving with you, but I was at Sinop from '59-'60.
It's been a while since I have thought of those days. As I recall, there was a post dog mascot called "Gimp", and his "girlfriend" "Studly". She had her litter in my barracks. I adopted one of the litter, and named him "Kismet".
I was a 765 (Signal Parts Specialist), and was never behind the fence.
I've got some pictures (still) around my apartment of the sights out there.
Were you there when the boat did not come in, and we had to eat rations the whole time? The PX ran out of just about everthing.
Frankly, I don't remember too many names of guys there, but I do have their faces in my photographs. . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Let me know if anything I have said sounds familiar.
Peter Lydon - Plydon@webspan.net
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Bill wrote back:to '60.
I don't remember the PX running out but I do remember when the EM club ran
out of everything except Brandy and Root beer. UGGHH, what a combination!!
The booze shortage was probably due to the same incident that you mentioned.
. . . . . . . .
I have a scanner here and would be glad to scan any Sinop photos that
you come across and will return the originals within a few days.
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At 10:06 PM 6/6/97 -0400, SGT E-5 Web Anderson wrote:
Bill,
Great page and enjoyed the pix from 1960. I stayed in new barracks 1963 -1965.
MOS 059 & 054.
Many improvements were made by the time I left. Wonder how it looks today?
Web Anderson
rwa@aug.com
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Thanks for the Email.
All the praise goes to Maddog Doran who did all the design work, all I did was supply the photos.
I understand that by 1975 there were over a hundred permanent buildings on the site and that now it's being occupied by the Turks and the British (yes, they are still there!!).
=====================================================================To: bsimons@pics.com
Subject: sinop
Mir Haba!!
I was stationed in Samsun (TUSLOG DET 3-2) 1961-1962.
Things were so bad in Sinop that the ASA types used to come down to Samsun for
R&R. (And we thought we had it bad!!). 'Course the USAF always had the best
billets and the best chow. I remember Bob Hope was to do a show on Xmas but theC130 Mac Plane couldn't land so he broadcasted from the air as the plane circled!!
Anyway. . . nice to see your page.
Dave de Wey/USAF <falarm@mtnweb.com>
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Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 22:53:05 -0400
To: bsimons@pics.com
From: Jay Foote <jay@gamewood.net>
Subject: Sinop NegativesHi Bill,
Now back on line in North Carolina from Florida.
After searching my photos and slides I found two or three you might want.
I found a black & white of the water hole that Cpt Bill Anglin dragged me
out to on that dusty jeep ride on my first trip to Sinop.You see he was in
G4 with me before Sinop and I knew him well-another country tarheel,hence
the reason he wanted me to see the deplorable conditions you guys had to
contend with and go back to Hq and get after them about it.That is, you
guys do something about it.Strangely enough I found a color slide of the water hole which seemed to
imply I had been to that damnable site twice which I know only the General
could have demanded that I go there again.After close look the last
black&white negative in the roll was the water hole which explains anew
color roll with the water hole slide.The color slide is the best shot with
2 tankers in it and working.----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-Sender: rwa@aug.com
Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 22:06:34 -0400
To: bsimons@pics.com
From: Robert W Anderson <rwa@aug.com>
Subject: The HillBill,
Great page and enjoyed the pix from 1960. I stayed in new barracks 1963-1965.
MOS 059 & 054.
Many improvements were made by the time I left. Wonder how it looks today?
Former SGT E-5 Web Anderson.
Thanks again for the GREAT Web site.Web Anderson
rwa@aug.com
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Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 18:12:28 -0400
From: Jay Foote jay@gamewood.net
Subject: Re Your 6/21/97 Msg Subject Last Shot 59Yes Bill,
Glad to hear that the photos were satisfactory and that they can be of use to you fellows.
Sure, you can send them on to Chuck Maki, my pleasure. Certainly don't mind my
Email address being included if OK. You never know, as I have experienced, it's a small
World anymore. One could not imagine 38 yrs ago when we took these photos that they could be passed around in the ether so easily in this manner and be of interest to a number of our fellow friends. Witness, I ran across you in this medium by chance.You assumed correctly, that was a fresh water hole, or well as you depicted it. There wasno fence around it for protection-out in the open space as seen. No doubt you drank that water and used it to wash in. Indeed, I expect you shared it with the local animals and birds when they wanted water or to bathe in, unbeknowing to you at the time.
Now you can understand why Bill Anglin dragged me out to see that classy water hole
so that I could report back to HQ at the Hall what a fine and smooth water operation
he was in charge of !! ?? Come to think about it, it must have taken one heck of a
lot of tank truck trips to service the station. I seriously doubt that sea water was used for
fire and flushing as well as showers. I must say, you would know if you washed and
showered in salt water! I'm sure I didn't wash in salt water my first trip there.When I was there the second time,as I was told by the CO, that the town of
Sinop was supplied from the post water system since the supply pipes came through
town, and that it was a good gesture for relations. I dont know whether it came from deep
wells or evaporators. Are you sure they converted salt to fresh i.e. evaporators,wow,
that's some operation?
I'm sure that plant was not on the Hill if they did use that process.Have to cut off now, take care,
Jay
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From: "Todd Hill" <Jwilli941@aol.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 19:13:39 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Sinop/Det4
Back when we went in it was just plain ol' MI- the ASA was just a memory with some of the old timers. I think that while Sinop was 'corrupted' at that time it functioned fairly similarly to the old ASA. Of course by then we had some blow-hards (regular Army types who transfered into MI when they couldn't make it in their MOS) who made life difficult for us but for the most part they left us alone.
When we went through AIT our barracks was co-ed. In fact I dated several of my future wife's roomates before we started going out. Several of my classmates had recv'd a thick 'welcome' packet and when I looked at my mailbox and saw that envelope I knew that I was destined for Sinop. My future wife then recv'd orders for Ft. Riley, KS while another female in her class got the ticket to Sinop.
I (being young, of course) asked my girlfriend to see if she could exchange orders. After much running around by her the swap was arranged. I arrived in Aug '84 and she followed in Sep '84. She then tricked me (being female this comes naturally when dealing with the male of the species) into asking her to marry me. We were married in Sinop by the Mayor in a civil ceremony and I have a Turkish marriage certificate.
Todd Hill
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Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 22:53:05 -0400
From: Jay Foote <jay@gamewood.net>
Subject: Sinop NegativesHi Bill,
Now back on line in North Carolina from Florida.
After searching my photos and slides I found two or three you might want.
I found a black & white of the water hole that Cpt Bill Anglin dragged me
out to on that dusty jeep ride on my first trip to Sinop.You see he was in
G4 with me before Sinop and I knew him well-another country tarheel,hence
the reason he wanted me to see the deplorable conditions you guys had to
contend with and go back to Hq and get after them about it.That is, you
guys do something about it.Strangely enough I found a color slide of the water hole which seemed to
imply I had been to that damnable site twice which I know only the General
could have demanded that I go there again.After close look the last
black&white negative in the roll was the water hole which explains anew
color roll with the water hole slide.The color slide is the best shot with
2 tankers in it and working.========================================================
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 16:52:31 -0700
From: David de Wey <falarm@mtnweb.com>
Organization: First Alarm
To: bsimons@pics.com
Subject: sinop
X-URL: http://www.dfwmm.net/~maddog/sinop02.htmMir Haba!!
I was stationed in Samsun (TUSLOG DET 3-2) 1961-1962. Things were so bad
in Sinop that the ASA types used to come down to Samsun for R&R. (And we
thought we had it bad!!). 'Course the USAF always had the best billets
and the best chow. I remember Bob Hope was to do a show on Xmas but the
C130 Mac Plane couldn't land so he broadcasted from the air as the plane
circled!! Anyway...nice to see your page.Dave de Wey/USAF
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -Sender: rwa@aug.com
Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 22:06:34 -0400
To: bsimons@pics.com
From: Robert W Anderson <rwa@aug.com>
Subject: The HillBill,
Great page and enjoyed the pix from 1960. I stayed in new barracks 1963-1965.
MOS 059 & 054.
Many improvements were made by the time I left. Wonder how it looks today?
Former SGT E-5 Web Anderson.
Thanks again for the GREAT Web site.Web Anderson
rwa@aug.com
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At 10:06 PM 6/6/97 -0400, SGT E-5 Web Anderson wrote:
Bill,
Great page and enjoyed the pix from 1960. I stayed in new barracks 1963 -1965. MOS 059 & 054.
Many improvements were made by the time I left. Wonder how it looks today?
Web Anderson
rwa@aug.com
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- - - - - Bill replied:
Thanks for the Email.
All the praise goes to Maddog Doran who did all the design work, all I did was supply the photos.
I understand that by 1975 there were over a hundred permanent buildings on the site and that now it's being occupied by the Turks and the British (yes, they are still there!!).
======================================================At 12:57 PM 6/7/97, Peter Lydon wrote:
Hi Bill, I don't remember serving with you, but I was at Sinop from '59-'60.
It's been a while since I have thought of those days. As I recall, there was a post dog mascot called "Gimp", and his "girlfriend" "Studly". She had her litter in my barracks. I adopted one of the litter, and named him "Kismet".
I was a 765 (Signal Parts Specialist), and was never behind the fence.
I've got some pictures (still) around my apartment of the sights out there.
Were you there when the boat did not come in, and we had to eat rations the whole time? The PX ran out of just about everthing.
Frankly, I don't remember too many names of guys there, but I do have their faces in my photographs. . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Let me know if anything I have said sounds familiar.
Peter Lydon - Plydon@webspan.net
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
Bill wrote back:to '60.
I don't remember the PX running out but I do remember when the EM club ran
out of everything except Brandy and Root beer. UGGHH, what a combination!!
The booze shortage was probably due to the same incident that you mentioned.
. . . . . . . .
I have a scanner here and would be glad to scan any Sinop photos that
you come across and will return the originals within a few days.
===============================================================
To: bsimons@pics.com
From: Jay Foote jay@gamewood.net
Subject: Re Your 6/21/97 Msg Subject Last Shot 59Yes Bill,
Glad to hear that the photos were satisfactory and that they can be of use to you fellows.
Sure, you can send them on to Chuck Maki, my pleasure. Certainly don't mind my Email address being included if OK. You never know, as I have experienced, it's a small World anymore. One could not imagine 38 yrs ago when we took these photos that they could be passed around in the ether so easily in this manner and be of interest to a number of our fellow friends. Witness, I ran across you in this medium by chance.You assumed correctly, that was a fresh water hole, or well as you depicted
it. There wasno fence around it for protection-out in the open space as seen.
No doubt you drank that water and used it to wash in. Indeed, I expect you
shared it with the local animals and birds when they wanted water or to bathe
in,unbeknowing to you at the time.Now you can understand why Bill Anglin dragged me out to see that classy water hole so that I could report back to HQ at the Hall what a fine and smooth water operation he was in charge of !! ?? Come to think about it, it must have taken one heck of a lot of tank truck trips to service the station. I seriously doubt that sea water was used for fire and flushing as well as showers. I must say, you would know if you washed and showered in salt water! I'm sure I didn't wash in salt water my first trip there.
When I was there the second time,as I was told by the CO, that the town of
Sinop was supplied from the post water system since the supply pipes came through
town, and that it was a good gesture for relations. I dont know whether it came from deep wells or evaporators. Are you sure they converted salt to fresh i.e. evaporators,wow, that's some operation?
I'm sure that plant was not on the Hill if they did use that process.Have to cut off now, take care,
Jay
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7/4/97 PDT, you wrote:
Bill,
I served in Sinop in 1979-80, hardly at the time you were there. However, I spent 21 years in the Army (69 - 90). While stationed in Turkey, I helped the Turkish translator translate a history of the area from Turkish to English. We spent most of the year arguing over language, he wanted literal, I wanted grammatical. In the end, he mostly won, but one of these days I will correct my copy and provide it to INSCOM (formerly ASA). Found Turkey fascinating.
Heard not too long ago that the Rod & Gun Club, near the PX, burned down.
You never saw either, did you?
John S. Curtis jcurtis@mail.megatrondata.com
============================================================
Date:Mon, 18 Aug 1997 19:56:27 -0400
From:George Sprague jpgr@erols.com
Subject:Sinop...I was a USN I-brancher at Sinop 91-92...cant be sure, but I think your barracks was being used as the finance center when I was there.... pretty weird...
George (Ft. Meade, MD)